The Anthropic Principle and the Question of God
Island asked in a comment on my Atheism-of-the-Gaps post what the anthropic principle has to do with the existence of God. I should be specific that I am referring to the Weak anthropic principle (WAP), as defined by Barrow and Tipler:
For clarification, let’s look at the end of an argument on the subject by William Lane Craig (don’t knock me because I quote a Christian – look at his argument):
Thus, our ability to observe is not surprising given our existence, but what we are observing - an improbable universe - can still surprise us.
To answer Island’s question, we must ask ourselves what to do with this observation of our own improbability. My answer is that this makes the question of God one worth asking. The question has empirical grounds.
At this point in my thinking, I am honestly not sure how to proceed from here to an answer to the question of God. My post on the Root of My Agnosticism sheds some light on my philosophical quandaries. Despite not having an answer to the question of God, I think demonstrating its empirical validity is a significant step.
The observed values of all physical and cosmological quantities are not equally probable but they take on values restricted by the requirement that there exist sites where carbon-based life can evolve and by the requirements that the Universe be old enough for it to have already done so.Perhaps we are not entitled to be surprised to find a complete lack of features in the universe that are incompatible with our existence – were such a feature found, we would not exist to observe it! However, given that “the observed values of all physical and cosmological quantities are not equally probable,” we can still be justifiably surprised that we do find features that are compatible with the existence of life. It is not self-stultifying to make both of these statements simultaneously. At the very least, there are far more possible universes that could not sustain life.
For clarification, let’s look at the end of an argument on the subject by William Lane Craig (don’t knock me because I quote a Christian – look at his argument):
Let us concede that it follows from WAP that
3. We should not be surprised that we do not observe features of the universe which are incompatible with our own existence.
For if the features of the universe were incompatible with our existence, we should not be here to notice it. Hence, it is not surprising that we do not observe such features. But it follows neither from WAP nor (3) that
4. We should not be surprised that we do observe features of the universe which are compatible with out existence.
For although the object of surprise in (4) might at first blush appear to be simply the contrapositive of the object of surprise in (3), this is mistaken. This can be clearly seen by means of an illustration (borrowed from John Leslie): suppose you are dragged before a firing squad of 100 trained marksmen, all of them with rifles aimed at your heart, to be executed. The command is given; you hear the deafening sound of the guns. And you observe that you are still alive, that all of the 100 marksmen missed! Now while it is true that
5. You should not be surprised that you do not observe that you are dead,
nonetheless it is equally true that
6. You should be surprised that you do observe that you are alive.
Since the firing squad's missing you altogether is extremely improbable, the surprise expressed in (6) is wholly appropriate, though you are not surprised that you do not observe that you are dead, since if you were dead you could not observe it. Similarly, while we should not be surprised that we do not observe features of the universe which are incompatible with our existence, it is nevertheless true that
7. We should he surprised that we do observe features of the universe which are compatible with our existence,
in view of the enormous improbability, demonstrated repeatedly by Barrow and Tipler, that the universe should possess such features.
Thus, our ability to observe is not surprising given our existence, but what we are observing - an improbable universe - can still surprise us.
To answer Island’s question, we must ask ourselves what to do with this observation of our own improbability. My answer is that this makes the question of God one worth asking. The question has empirical grounds.
At this point in my thinking, I am honestly not sure how to proceed from here to an answer to the question of God. My post on the Root of My Agnosticism sheds some light on my philosophical quandaries. Despite not having an answer to the question of God, I think demonstrating its empirical validity is a significant step.

9 comments:
This is the proper argument without disputing the implication that we're not here by accident:
It still requires an unfounded leap of faith to conclude that cosmological evidence to this effect infers an intelligent agent, because any good physical need for us to be here will suffice to accomplish the same thing.
So the extra facet of intelligence isn't necessary and can't be inferred from cosmological evidence that we're not here by accident.
That's the argument that should be used, rather than to go into auto-denial mode about the implication for specialness, which boils down to calling many very intelligent physicists... STOOPID.
I want to make sure I understand your argument. You’re saying that rather than argue that the universe came into being as an accident, we should concede that the cosmological evidence points to purpose (defined as “not an accident”) but point out that there may or may not be intelligence involved in that purpose. Is this correct?
No, I would say that valid scientific interpretations of the anthropic principle that indicate that we are not here by accident can only indicate that there is a natural need for us to be here, unless you can do a hell of a lot better than this conclusion.
Without any explanation of nature's fine-tunings we will be hard pressed to answer the ID critics.
Leonard Susskind
Nope, Lenny may be reading the physics correctly, as he recognizes the appearance of anthropic preference, but he forgot that my point was also Einstein's point, and it necessarily takes precedence over his leap of faith...
>> valid scientific interpretations of the anthropic principle that
>> indicate that we are not here by accident can only indicate that
>> there is a natural need for us to be here
Granted. Does that not then give us the right to ask why we exist in a universe that exhibits a natural need for us to be here? Is not the question justified? I suppose all I was trying to say is that the anthropic principle at least validates the question on empirical grounds. While perhaps there is not an empirical/scientific answer to the question, the right to ask the question is vindicated by science.
Do you think it is unfounded to ask whether the cause of this "natural need for us to be here" could be God? Or is this the errant leap of faith to which you refer?
It is difficult to convey tone over the Internet. By my questioning, I am not trying to be combative; I’m honestly interested in your answers. I found your websites here and here and here, and it seems you’ve put a lot more time and thought into this than I.
Don't worry, I don't see you as combative or willfully ignorant up to this point, so we're good.
I think that it's perfectly proper to as why we exist, and, given that there are valid scientific interpretations of the AP that indicate purpose in nature, and that we are somehow key players. I would think that this purpose would be relevant, so you first look long and hard for a good reason why we might be important to the physics of the universe, before concluding that god or ET did squat.
That's like throwing up your hands at causality... which is exactly what science has done with fine tuning, but the anthropic principle indicates that we ARE the mechanism that constrains the cosmological constant, so somebody needs to tell science to quit ducking causality and face the music.
Aside from my point concerning the proper scientific method for this, I believe that I have very good reason to believe that I know the exact answer to that question... but only because I wasn't afraid to act like an honest scientist.
I actually looked!... go figure.
Food for thought:
Given that both, the special implication of the AP, and evolutionary theory, are true...
Then an anthropically constrained universe is predicted to evolve its characteristics or traits forward...
If the predominant entropic tendency of the universe has anything to say about that, then there should be a mechanism that enables the universe to evolve to higher orders of entropic efficiency, just like we humans did when we lept from apes to harness fire, and for the exact same reason...
Which is the perpetually insatiable effort toward absolute symmetry that is expressed by the effect every action in the universe since and including the big bang.
FYI: You'd make a good detective... ;)
>> I wasn't afraid to act like an honest scientist
Are you a scientist? What is your background, and what has motivated your interest in the anthropic principle?
I'm a dilettante, which just means that I'm not a physicist but I'm not a crackpot either. I've been studying theoretical physics for about 20 years and I can hold my own with any PhD theorist on the turf of my interest. I can provide links to conversations to this effect if we really must appeal to authority.
I'm into my fourth year exclusively studying the anthropic principle after learning about it while studying gravity, having previously recognized that our purpose in this universe is to efficiently increase entropy.
I had nearly formulated an entropic anthropic principle completely on my own prior to that without realizing it, but it didn't take me more than about two seconds to know where my empirically defined philosophy belonged as soon as I learned about existence of the anthropic principle...
... and then the poo hit the fan for me, because all of this stuff is directly related to the gravity research that I was doing, and so it's been one amazing and enlightening moment after the next for me since then...
Remember this:
Einstein will be completely vindicated.
Post a Comment